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This is extremely foreign to me, and I don't know what you're doing right, but it's almost unfair.

I can message 50 and get about 7, about 5 of those are just the one line response and nothing, about 2 I can go for 4-5 more messages and then it's over with "no thanks." I have been asking here and elsewhere relentlessly, the men are telling me to bulk up and take my shirt off (which is NOT me), the women will not offer me the type to advertise myself.

That doesn't mean give up, it just means that the righteous and fair strategy will lose the game...you wanna win, you have no choice but to become what you don't respect.

For what it's worth you have my respect..you're ever in Toronto...first shot of bourbon is on yours truly.

in the future, when someone is shy or a loser, it's a better idea that you tell these "shy loser guys" just to give up and stare at the wall.. Also, in reference to someone's earlier post about guys suggesting that he bulk up and take a pic with his shirt off... It's either that we don't know how to write a profile, or don't know how to write a message, or that we just take bad profile pics.

Please don't - I doesn't send a very good message IMO. The first thing I thought when I read this was, I love myself so much that I am well acquainted with Rosy Palms. I've seen lots of guys stressing over not getting dates on POF, and when I look at their profile pic, I can see why. The exact profile pic I put up there, personally I consider to be one of my better ones.

It's like I could be telling you I put up a picture of sliced ham as my only picture, and you'd be saying "that's not the problem," etc. Stick to offline, let them get to know the real you. Do you have to get ripped and take your shirt off for dating success?

No, I mean there is an abundance of wang so you are always thrown into a competition which can seriously damage your self-esteem, and for what? No..I guarantee that it would help...a lot, and anybody (woman or man) who says any different is lying to you through their teeth/keyboard.So I have reason to believe I'm half-decent looking and the photos are good enough. Several times girls in real life have indicated they thought I was attractive. Without assuming what I'm looking for, what's wrong with a quick tap in your opinion?So I could say these women online and in real life were truthful, which is what I usually believe (although now I'm re-evaluating that.) Or I could say they were You don't mean I have to be ripped with my shirt off to get anywhere, do you? Would it make me to shallow if I said that's fine with me? And by "you" I mean people in general - not you specifically.I think a lot of women will agree with me on that.women on there? It's almost as if women are concerned that if they said what's wrong with me, it would confirm stereotypical views about what women want, and that's an area that's so controversial it must be avoided at all times. Girls are just offering *nothing* at all about what I should be doing differently. Props for not wanting to treat women like products in a catalogue.It certainly looks like a collective problem at this point, as if they are all finding the same few things wrong with me. I haven't had one person anywhere say "let's see your profile," or anything like that. And props for being smart/realistic enough to know that life/love don't always work out nicely for everyone like the world says it will.So try it out, you maybe be surprised with who you meet.